They just plain suck.

Dave Gammon

I'm a neophyte web-page designer and before I found this website I had (honest!) considered that learning about frames would be a good idea. Thank you "I Hate Frames Club" for showing me the better path!
Andrew Robert Collins

Frames Suck!!!
Quentin Parrish

They suck.
Carbunkl

Frames make web surfing a joy when you have an incompatoble browser!
Ryan Ottley
dddeeerf

S'ils n'existaient pas on serait tous gagnant.
Thomas Collin

Anthony Dribben

Frames is the best way for a webmaster to keep people away from his site.
Nir Dagan

grr...
matrix

They are abused! Most of the time frames are used in places where they aren't even necessary. Lots of web authors dont use them properly. When I go to alot of pages I feel clostrophobic. I have other stuff on my own page to annoy visitors "Java Scripts" at: http://web.infoave.net/~chucksm.
Chuck Small
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They are evil. They are going to take over the world. We must stop the invasion now, while there is time...
Synne

Well, you know, everything's already been said.
I just wanna add that frames are screwed up.

THEY ARE DEVIL'S TOYS AND FRAMES COME FROM HELL!

Andriy Mishchenko

"Anyone who has a website with frames should die of gonnorhea and rot in hell. Would you like a cookie, son?" --taken from Ace Ventura: Pet Detective

...cursed frames...
Georgia

made of wood and bordering the Mona Lisa is ok
on my computer they disturb me...
Chris Conklin

they suck
Gottfried Mentil
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frames suck!!!!!!!!!!!
Erin Collins

Dan Webb

To put it as plainly as possible, I can't stand them. A bunch of little windows all hovering over your screen, The thought just makes me want to puke. Moving them all around so I can see whats going on.
David Baker

When I click "back" from a page with frames, I can't leave!
They're also a pain for people who may only have access to
a text browser. My page doesn't have frames, because it was
never set up for the intention of pissing people off. I hate frames.
Bill M.

frames are the smallpox of the web: small and poxy!
robbie bates

Hi!

(Tried sending this via my regular e-mail but it froze up mid-send. I hope you don't get this twice, but I hope you get it at least once!)

What a soothing feeling it is to find fellow frame-haters on the web. Most people think, "If it's new, it must be cool, so I'd better use it just in case." I'm trying to design a website right now, and I'm fighting against these silly urges to "see how much I can do." Better to do as much as I can with the least means.

In perusing your (add "good" adjectives here) site, I didn't find any suggestions on how to handle frames. I have inadvertantly discovered a couple recently and wish to share them with you.

In case it matters, I'm using Netscape Gold 3.0 and a Macintosh 6400/200 w/80 MB RAM and a 15" AV monitor. Even with a screen this big and viewing Netscape at its maximum size, I still can't see everything. What do these people who design these frame-ups use--27" monitors?!?

Anyway, those friggin' borderless sans-scrollbar frames that hold things that go beyond their borders can be dealt with by click-dragging (as if selecting text). This will let you move past its goddam borders, albeit with the same amount of area (in)visible.

Next, I've tried bookmarking something in a frame, and I'm sure you know what happened--FAILURE. This was the Weather Underground page. I wanted to bookmark the page for my city (Taichung, Taiwan) so I could skip the long load of the main page. I couldn't even PRINT the damn frame using the "Print frame" command--it kept giving me the "main" page that led me to *my* weather page. I accidentally found that by click-holding within the frame, I got a pop-up menu that gave me several choices, one of which went something like "Open this frame in a new window." Voila'! I got a new window with a separate URL containing only the contents of *that* frame, AND I was able to both bookmark and print the page. Hey!

I found your page via, shit, I forgot how I found it. I was searching for free webspace, so it might've been via an address at Focus-Asia or No-Tell Motel, or GeoCities or something. Sorry. Netscape crashed before I finished looking at that horrible sample at University of Scranton (Sheep's Brain Tutorial)! Yikes!

I'd sure love to put a link to your page on mine. I'm trying to do a bilingual page (English & Chinese), so I was quite pleased that you had a button in Chinese ready and waiting for me! Want to include a little of that Situationist Internationale-type "detournement," if you know what I mean--an Anti-net page, if you will. (Anti-cookies, anti-frames, anti-blinking, pro-simplicity, pro-usefulness, pro-speed, etc.)

Okay, I'm blathering, so ... Adios.

Tim Maddog™

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Tim Maddog

what I have to say about
frames??? guess this is a site youths have access too, so I'd better shut up...
Ralf Schumann

Here's a problem you guys haven't discussed yet:

I've just created some sites which use frames. Now that I am trying to
register these sites with search engines I am running into a problem which
no-one on the net seems to be addressing. I have looked at 40 sites
dealing with HTML and not one mentions this dilemma:

A typical frame set consists of 3 html docs: main.htm, frame1.htm and
frame2.htm.

Frame1.htm and frame2.htm are frames which appear within main.htm, and
they are NOT meant to be accessed individually (i.e outside a frames
context). But how can you prevent this?

Search engines will spider them and register them, and people will end up
coming in to see them without seeing the frames context you designed.

To make matters worse, the package I am using (Symantec's Visual Page)
does not allow you to put meta data in the main.htm 'parent' file, and
only allows access to the source of the framed files. The result is one
tends to put the meta data in the frame files, ensuring the spiders will
indeed index them and not the main.htm file you wish to have indexed.

What to do? (Besides just dropping frames!)
MarkMan

Frames, what are they good for? Possibly windows (the kind made of glass that is)
Other then that, nothing...
Steve Campbell

You know, I created my site before frames were invented. Then I thought, "hey, everybody else is doing it, why don't I put frames on MY page!!" Fortunately for me, I had a change of heard after my browser crashed several times while trying to access sites that teach you how to do it.

Now I am a full-fledged frame-hater and I'm proud of it!! THANK YOU!
Chris Bradley

I'm not very familiar in english, but in Russia we say "Frames Must Die !!" (not everybody but those who HATE FRAMES
Dmitry

ughhhhhhhhhh
matt

Frames suck, 'nuff said
Max Dawa

Frames are the devil.
Andrew Wendt

I hate frames very very very much!Why must they put frames to their pages???
ahmad fadli

They make my hair hurt.
gary mcclintock

There is one thing I really hate more than ERROR 404
FRAMES

Uli Krebser

I hate them. I despise them. I would rather take a hammer and pound my monitor than see frames.
Wesley Andrew Hightower

They suck! Too many people try to fit too much crap into too small of a space....and then convince you that it makes it easier for you to use their page. BULL!!!!
Kilroy

I guess I have framaphobia
Sam Keyes

A single site with frames is bad enough, but lately, I've got caught in one sites frames, only to get caught in a 2nd sites frames and then a 3rd. People that use frames are control freaks, plain and simple.
Momma Freeman

I like it!!!
joel
funny...

lania

FRAMES SUCK!!!
Jon
DAMN YOU ALL STRAIGHT TO HELL!

They just SUCK! What more need I say?
Chris Loll
YOU SUCK

Frames make it Soooooo hard to print. Why don't all web page makers realize this? (or is it all some sort of plot to keep you from prining and bookmarking). And when you go to a page that is supposed to be in frames, it keeps opening new browser windows
Jessica

Man, I tell you what. Frames were neat when they first came on the scene. But now... *sigh* they are plain annoying. I agree 100% with every reason against frames you have presented me. I'd like to join the club, 'cause really... the only good frame is a dead frame.
LordJazz

Frames downgrade the accessibility of sites to the extent that some framed pages are simply not worth viewing at all.
S Lowes

Olivier

jowi

i get dizzy when i see one
SomeoneCA
they're aliens

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USuxx
eat spam forever

:((((
Heiko

Frames suck, especially when you have a
non-compatible browser!
Aaron Morrison

The sooner they die the better.
chux